Here are two views on the the gathering of nations in Bali, Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change, which we reported on here yesterday.

First up is Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations who says the science is in, we are the problem, and if we don’t act now it’s all over.

We have read the science. Global warming is real, and we are a prime cause.

We have heard the warnings. Unless we act, now, we face serious consequences. Polar ice may melt. Sea levels will rise. A third of our plant and animal species could vanish. There will be famine around the world, particularly in Africa and Central Asia.

Next is a report (via Mr. Pink) suggests that someone may be just blowing a lot of hot air.

Government officials and activists flying to Bali, Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

The delegates each will produce an average 4.07 metric tons of carbon dioxide, or CO2, to reach the resort island 950 kilometers (600 miles) from Jakarta, according to estimates e- mailed to Bloomberg by the UN agency holding the conference.

Some of the 187 nations participating in the two-week forum promised to offset their so-called carbon footprint by planting trees or buying emission credits. The symbolic actions won’t help stop global warming, scientists say.